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. second-largest copper building wire manufacturer in the united states to compete against three companies. the private company and a buffet lead company which is in not martin group of, it is unfortunately an interaction in the marketplace but at the end of the day copper wire is used half and half between commercial construction and new housing construction and we have both of those sectors which are well below trim line and encore wire is trading at 15 times earnings and six times cash flow. 40% from the peak and significant earnings. dave: i got to interrupt because we are talking about ben bernanke and breaking news on ben bernanke. >> chairman of the federal reserve will meet with lawmakers in the finance committee. private meetings next wednesday. this according to an aide to one of those lawmakers and these will be private meetings when he meets with members of the finance committee and ben bernanke's meeting is going to focus on the economy and fiscal cliff. dave: thank you. i want to get a quick comment. that brings back memories of 2008. these emergency meetings between ben bern
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